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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://whitewashedfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/college-and-vision-forum-is-there-a-double-standard/#comment-2822</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, you weren&#039;t in the least lecturing! Your points were great; I just wanted to clarify that I am not, in fact, anti-Luther :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you weren&#8217;t in the least lecturing! Your points were great; I just wanted to clarify that I am not, in fact, anti-Luther <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: On the Outside</title>
		<link>http://whitewashedfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/college-and-vision-forum-is-there-a-double-standard/#comment-2816</link>
		<dc:creator>On the Outside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe! Understood.

I&#039;m sorry if I came off like I was lecturing you, I wasn&#039;t trying to. I do love history, like I said, and I wanted to share some of the good that Luther did.  I do know about the bad, the comments and beliefs he had that were reallly out there... but I still have a soft spot for Luther.  Probably because he was a monk, and for some reason I just like monks.  Maybe it&#039;s the robes...? ;-)

Love, Oto</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe! Understood.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry if I came off like I was lecturing you, I wasn&#8217;t trying to. I do love history, like I said, and I wanted to share some of the good that Luther did.  I do know about the bad, the comments and beliefs he had that were reallly out there&#8230; but I still have a soft spot for Luther.  Probably because he was a monk, and for some reason I just like monks.  Maybe it&#8217;s the robes&#8230;? <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Love, Oto</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oto, I&#039;m not really against Luther; the Catholic church was corrupt back then. At the time I posted that, I just had mixed feelings because someone had told me he wasn&#039;t the hero I thought he was and mentioned some historical tidbits about him. Of course, this person was a rather close-minded Catholic, so I should have known better :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oto, I&#8217;m not really against Luther; the Catholic church was corrupt back then. At the time I posted that, I just had mixed feelings because someone had told me he wasn&#8217;t the hero I thought he was and mentioned some historical tidbits about him. Of course, this person was a rather close-minded Catholic, so I should have known better <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: On the Outside</title>
		<link>http://whitewashedfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/college-and-vision-forum-is-there-a-double-standard/#comment-2810</link>
		<dc:creator>On the Outside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That’s what Luther and Calvin did: caused disharmony. Heck, I’m a protestant and I agree with Luther, but the argument that the fuss was caused by those around him does not relieve him of responsibility because he knew how the priests would react.&quot;

I&#039;ve always been interested in History, and part of that is the history of the Reformation.  I learned a great deal about Luther, and I have to say, the discord was very necessary.

At the time of Luther, the Roman Catholic Church had grown to so much power that it ruled all of Europe.  With the power came corruption, evil, and priests and popes turned away from God.

The common people were the ones that suffered. They were not allowed to own or read Bibles (many of them couldn&#039;t even read at all, and for many it was illegal for them to read.. especially women) The priests were the ones that would read the Bible to everyone.  They would read it in Latin, which only they understood (Latin was considered a holy language and commoners had no resource to learn it) and so they would twist the Scriptures to mean anything they wanted it to.

One of the biggest reasons that Luther ever got involed in controversy was the Catholic Church&#039;s endorsement of the selling of indulgences.  Indulgences were a pre-paid &quot;Free Pass&quot; to whatever sin a person wanted to commit.  Want to commit a murder? Sure, twenty bucks.  Rape? You got it, eight dollars.  

The priests would sell indulgences to anyone who wanted to buy one, so they could go commit a terrible crime without fear of hell or the need to confess their sin.

Luther recognized this to be ridiculously unbiblical, and that is was drove him to write his 95 theses.

If he hadn&#039;t, he would have been the fulfillment of this sentence: All evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

Don&#039;t look down at Luther because he caused discord in the church.  Discord is, at times, extremely necessary.  Just what are we doing here, on this website? We are definitely causing discord, but it is extremely necessary. 

Jesus Himself caused discord, and He told the disciples so.

Luke 12:
49 “I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 “But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 “Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 “They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” 


Not all arguments and clashes are displeasing to God.

Just my thoughts :)

Oto</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s what Luther and Calvin did: caused disharmony. Heck, I’m a protestant and I agree with Luther, but the argument that the fuss was caused by those around him does not relieve him of responsibility because he knew how the priests would react.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been interested in History, and part of that is the history of the Reformation.  I learned a great deal about Luther, and I have to say, the discord was very necessary.</p>
<p>At the time of Luther, the Roman Catholic Church had grown to so much power that it ruled all of Europe.  With the power came corruption, evil, and priests and popes turned away from God.</p>
<p>The common people were the ones that suffered. They were not allowed to own or read Bibles (many of them couldn&#8217;t even read at all, and for many it was illegal for them to read.. especially women) The priests were the ones that would read the Bible to everyone.  They would read it in Latin, which only they understood (Latin was considered a holy language and commoners had no resource to learn it) and so they would twist the Scriptures to mean anything they wanted it to.</p>
<p>One of the biggest reasons that Luther ever got involed in controversy was the Catholic Church&#8217;s endorsement of the selling of indulgences.  Indulgences were a pre-paid &#8220;Free Pass&#8221; to whatever sin a person wanted to commit.  Want to commit a murder? Sure, twenty bucks.  Rape? You got it, eight dollars.  </p>
<p>The priests would sell indulgences to anyone who wanted to buy one, so they could go commit a terrible crime without fear of hell or the need to confess their sin.</p>
<p>Luther recognized this to be ridiculously unbiblical, and that is was drove him to write his 95 theses.</p>
<p>If he hadn&#8217;t, he would have been the fulfillment of this sentence: All evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t look down at Luther because he caused discord in the church.  Discord is, at times, extremely necessary.  Just what are we doing here, on this website? We are definitely causing discord, but it is extremely necessary. </p>
<p>Jesus Himself caused discord, and He told the disciples so.</p>
<p>Luke 12:<br />
49 “I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 “But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 “Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 “They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” </p>
<p>Not all arguments and clashes are displeasing to God.</p>
<p>Just my thoughts <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Oto</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer K</title>
		<link>http://whitewashedfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/college-and-vision-forum-is-there-a-double-standard/#comment-2331</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jennifer, for welcoming me. I look forward to reading new posts.

And sorry about the grammatical cow patties I stepped into in my last comment. I was writing in a hurry and didn&#039;t bother to proofread. I&#039;ll hang my head in shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jennifer, for welcoming me. I look forward to reading new posts.</p>
<p>And sorry about the grammatical cow patties I stepped into in my last comment. I was writing in a hurry and didn&#8217;t bother to proofread. I&#8217;ll hang my head in shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://whitewashedfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/college-and-vision-forum-is-there-a-double-standard/#comment-2312</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer, welcome! I hope you stick around; these ladies are awesome</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer, welcome! I hope you stick around; these ladies are awesome</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://whitewashedfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/college-and-vision-forum-is-there-a-double-standard/#comment-2308</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Letters from Chancey? Oh goody :P 

Bon appetit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Letters from Chancey? Oh goody <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Bon appetit!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer K</title>
		<link>http://whitewashedfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/college-and-vision-forum-is-there-a-double-standard/#comment-2307</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in college, I interviewd an alum who is local documentary film maker. She told me that no matter what I should always use my education. It could be in the way I raise children, do my job, write an article or volunteer in my community. She told me to never stop learning, to stay open-minded to new ideas and concepts and to treasure the education I was getting. Since graduation I&#039;ve kept her advice in mind.

Just because a young lady goes to college that doesn&#039;t mean she spends all her time getting involved in sleazy sexual hook-ups and getting drunk at keg parties. Sure, I know a lot of students that partied, but for the most part, most of them took their education very seriously. When I was in college I was an editor of the school newspaper, on the board of a school organization and a tutor. These things can aid me whether I&#039;m a CEO or a SAHM. Education is just so cool. My own grandmother never got to go to high school and now all of her granddaughters are college graduations.

Now to be honest, I&#039;m probably not the kind of person you&#039;d find at this website. I&#039;m single, no kids, Agnostic and I consider myself a feminist. However, I like to learn about different points of view. I started reading up about anti-feminism and I was sickened by some of the stuff I was reading. Sure, live a more traditional lifestyle if you want, but don&#039;t deny me the lifestyle I want. And for all of this talk of being submissive, modest and humble these anti-feminist bloggers are some of the most arrogant, self-satisfied and mean-spirited women I have ever come across. No wonder you ladies had to start this blog. And so funny that some of these &quot;ladies&quot; would deny education and careers for other women and girls (including their own daughters) yet never fail to remind you of their education and the lucrative careers they left behind.

Keep up with this blog. It is comforting to know there are traditional Christian women who are smart, caring, funny and complex thinkers.

Cally, I am sorry about the loss of your daughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in college, I interviewd an alum who is local documentary film maker. She told me that no matter what I should always use my education. It could be in the way I raise children, do my job, write an article or volunteer in my community. She told me to never stop learning, to stay open-minded to new ideas and concepts and to treasure the education I was getting. Since graduation I&#8217;ve kept her advice in mind.</p>
<p>Just because a young lady goes to college that doesn&#8217;t mean she spends all her time getting involved in sleazy sexual hook-ups and getting drunk at keg parties. Sure, I know a lot of students that partied, but for the most part, most of them took their education very seriously. When I was in college I was an editor of the school newspaper, on the board of a school organization and a tutor. These things can aid me whether I&#8217;m a CEO or a SAHM. Education is just so cool. My own grandmother never got to go to high school and now all of her granddaughters are college graduations.</p>
<p>Now to be honest, I&#8217;m probably not the kind of person you&#8217;d find at this website. I&#8217;m single, no kids, Agnostic and I consider myself a feminist. However, I like to learn about different points of view. I started reading up about anti-feminism and I was sickened by some of the stuff I was reading. Sure, live a more traditional lifestyle if you want, but don&#8217;t deny me the lifestyle I want. And for all of this talk of being submissive, modest and humble these anti-feminist bloggers are some of the most arrogant, self-satisfied and mean-spirited women I have ever come across. No wonder you ladies had to start this blog. And so funny that some of these &#8220;ladies&#8221; would deny education and careers for other women and girls (including their own daughters) yet never fail to remind you of their education and the lucrative careers they left behind.</p>
<p>Keep up with this blog. It is comforting to know there are traditional Christian women who are smart, caring, funny and complex thinkers.</p>
<p>Cally, I am sorry about the loss of your daughter.</p>
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		<title>By: Cally Tyrol</title>
		<link>http://whitewashedfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/college-and-vision-forum-is-there-a-double-standard/#comment-2306</link>
		<dc:creator>Cally Tyrol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was talking with Anne yesterday about this very issue.  Somehow, the loss of my daughter (which nearly drove me away from Christianity) found its meaning within God&#039;s sovereignty.  &lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt; don&#039;t know why the Lord took her.  I may never know.  But what I DO know is that God will work it for my good (Rom. 8:28).

But, back on topic...

I found some yummy letters written by Jennie Chancey about girls and college which I am going to comment on in the days to come.  It should be fun...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was talking with Anne yesterday about this very issue.  Somehow, the loss of my daughter (which nearly drove me away from Christianity) found its meaning within God&#8217;s sovereignty.  <b>I</b> don&#8217;t know why the Lord took her.  I may never know.  But what I DO know is that God will work it for my good (Rom. 8:28).</p>
<p>But, back on topic&#8230;</p>
<p>I found some yummy letters written by Jennie Chancey about girls and college which I am going to comment on in the days to come.  It should be fun&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://whitewashedfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/college-and-vision-forum-is-there-a-double-standard/#comment-2305</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you about God&#039;s sovereignity, Cally. It&#039;s a wonderfully comforting thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you about God&#8217;s sovereignity, Cally. It&#8217;s a wonderfully comforting thought.</p>
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