A while back, I found these letters written by Jennie Chancey published on a website and I’d like to interact with them a bit here. Jennie is well-known for “speaking” her mind and she certainly doesn’t pull any punches here. Please take the time to read the original letter (the link to the second letter will bep published when I have time to interact with it).
“Letters from Jennie… On College, the workplace, etc.”
Unfortunately, too many modern Christians look everywhere else for answers before turning to the Word (just look at all the “Christian” psychology and counseling books in Christian bookstores).
Okay, I know that this letter was written many years ago, but I do still find it ironic that Jennie has co-authored a book that does the very thing she is writing against here. Passionate Housewives, Desperate for God is one of those “counseling” books that she rails against here.
I do agree with her premise though. It is must easier to buy a book from Amazon about whatever ails us than it is to pick up God’s Word and search for the answer. I am guilty of thise myself and many times over!
So many families believe that a young woman, like a young man, is “free and independent” at age 18 or age 21 and should leave home to strike out on her own. This is in total opposition to God’s teachings.
There are a few issues to discuss here. The first one I’d like to point out is that Mrs. Chancey offers no scriptural basis for this statement. In fact, she offers very little scriptural support in her entire letter. She makes bold, sweeping statements and, apparently expects her readers to take her word for it because she doesn’t give much support from the Bible at all. If a belief or action is in “total opposition to God’s teachings” but is commonly believed or practiced by a society, wouldn’t it be prudent to explain why such a belief or action contradicts God’s Word from Scripture itself?
Additionally, Mrs. Chancey states that young men are permitted to be “free and independent,” but that young women are not. Again, a Scriptural basis for this statement would be nice. She points out repeatedly in her letter that men are to leave when they get married whereas women are given in marriage. Women are never permitted to act independently of their “covenant head.”
And yet, the story of Mary, the mother of Jesus comes to mind. Here is a young girl, unmarried but betrothed, and still living in her father’s house, under her parents’ authority. The angel Gabriel appears to her and tells her that she has been chosen to bear the Savior of the world. She agrees to bear that child. Her father is not consulted. Her father isn’t even TOLD of the incident. Mary agrees, on her own, to allow the Holy Spirit to overshadow her and give her the baby. She declared “Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.”
I’m not trying to make a grand, sweeping case using one example… and yet, this is a pretty BIG example of a young, unmarried woman acting independently of her “covenant head.” Who was Deborah’s head? Who was Lydia’s head? Who was Phoebe’s head? Who was Mary Magdelene’s head? Who was Mary of Bethany’s head? Who was Marthat’s head? Who was Miriam’s head? Miriam, the prophetess, was unmarried. There is no mention of her father, only her brothers, Moses and Aaron.
As to whether or not a daughter or a son, should leave home to “strike out” on their own? I believe that is a decision to be made between parents and children in individual families. I do not see a case made against that in Scripture, nor do I see a command or a precept that sons are free to be independent, while daughters are not. Do we see examples of independent sons and dependent daughters? Absolutely! But it behooves us to ask ourselves if this is because it is commanded by God or if it is rooted more in the cultural mores of the time.
Starting in the Pentateuch (Genesis through Deuteronomy), we see that God made woman for man.
And here I would disagree again. God made the wife for her husband, not the woman for the man. The natural outworking of Mrs. Chancey’s statement is that all women must be under the authority of all men and that simply is not the case. I don’t think that she even believes this. Her statement is probably just poorly worded. What she is saying is that women were created to be helpers to their husbands and that wives are in subjection to men because it is part of the created order and not due to the Fall.
Conversely, man was made to protect, cherish and nourish the woman. Men who are not doing that and are not loving their wives as Christ loved the church are covenant-breakers.
If that statement is true, then all husbands, including her own, are covenant-breakers. Men are called to love their wives as Christ loves the church, but no man does this every moment of ever day. Do we really need to call them “covenant-breakers?” Especially when you weigh that statement against this one:
Women who refuse to stay home and obey their fathers or husbands are also covenant-breakers. They are inverting God’s created order, which is God-Man-Woman-Animals. Today we have Animals-Woman-Man-God.
So much for her claim that she doesn’t expect all women to live exactly as she does, but that’s beside the point. I’m not sure what she means by “created order” because if we are basing our views of gender roles on the order of creation then wouldn’t animals be on top? They were created before men! I know that’s a stretch since animals aren’t created in God’s image, but stick with me here. Men and women are equal image bearers of God. Most complementarians would say that men and women are equal in essence or being and unequal in function or role. I’m still debating whether or not complementarians can actually claim equality in essence because it is by virtue of a man’s “maleness” that he is placed in authority over the woman. Male authority isn’t about body parts. Its about being male.
Getting back to it though… so women who refuse to stay home and obey their fathers or husbands are covenant-breakers. How so? I’m looking for a full-time job because my husband asked me to. I am neither refusing to stay home nor acting in disobedience to my husband so how, exactly, am I a “covenant breaker”? I know she’s referring to “working women” like me, but I’m still hoping for an explaination at some point.
Moving on to the books of the law, we see in the case laws (these are the laws which tell us how to live the ten commandments) that God puts a daughter under her father’s protection.
Chapter and verse please. Oh, you mean Numbers 30? The sole scripture that is ever used to support this kind of argument? Well, how many holes we can poke into that one! All children, daughters and sons, are commanded to obey their parents and to honor their parents in the Lord. No distinction is made between mother and father. I would put forward that a daughter is just as much under her mother’s authority and protection as she is her father’s. I see that idea permeated throughout Scripture as we see women involved in the affairs of their families, women bringing their children to Jesus for healing, and women becoming Christians and having their entire households baptized by virtue of their faith.
This post is plenty long and I’ve just done the first page of Mrs. Chancey’s letter! Some concluding thoughts as I wrap up: Jennie Chancey, Doug Phillips, the McDonalds, et al, all operate on the premise that the Bible speaks to each and every single aspect of our lives, no matter how big or small. I recently listened to Doug Phillips’ CD “How to Think Like a Christian” wherein he details what ails American society and the Christian church and how the solution to that is to look to the Bible for answers. Well, I have news for Mr. Phililps- the Bible does not answer every question posed to it. It just doesn’t. And sometimes the idea that it does is carried way too far and it ends up trumping Christian liberty and creating rules where God has not. This kind of thinking breeds the kind of legalism that Vision Forum, LAF, Family Reformation Ministries, Kevin Swanson and others propogate. No, not works to merit salvation, but the kind that creates laws where God has not. The kind that comes up with commands where God has allowed for liberty. The kind where obscure Scriptures (and the obscure ones are just as important as the “biggies”) are used to create an entire paradigm of thinking and lifestyle that are then to be imposed on the entire Christian church.
I would like Jennie Chancey to respond to this story from Peets Coffee about their new “Las Hermanas” coffee:
Las Hermanas
Crafted for Peet’s by a sisterhood of growers on their own plots of land, Las Hermanas coffee is smooth and balanced with the brightness of spring’s new crop.
“In 2001 we first bought coffee from a small cooperative of women farmers in Nicaragua. Year after year, this co-op has produced exceptional coffee, and over time we have built a direct relationship with the group of inspirational women, which has given them control over their own destinies and livelihoods. As a result of our long-term contracts and the premium prices we pay for their quality coffee, “the sisters” have developed their community and their co-op in ways that inspire us anew every year.
Membership in Las Hermanas has empowered these women to move from subsistence to sustainability, from impoverished landless laborers to smallholders free of crushing debt. They now own their own land, have access to cooperative financing, agronomical training and social programs. For Maria Elia Castillo – who struggled even to send her children to school before joining the cooperative – selling Hermanas coffee has brought vast improvements to her quality of life, providing daily necessities we would take for granted. Things as simple as a table and chair so her family can eat a meal together, or beds for her children. Formerly a landless laborer, she is now a successful member of the community whose children are not only able to attend school, but are also learning about environmental and social stewardship, ensuring that the next generation of Las Hermanas has more opportunities than Maria could have dreamed of.
We have also been able to support the women of Las Hermanas through our work with Grounds for Health
Every member of Las Hermanas has their own story of hope and inspiration that we at Peet’s are proud to tell – and proud to support through the sale of this fresh, sweet, new crop coffee.”
If Mrs. Chancey’s precepts are indeed God’s precepts, then they should be lived out everywhere, at all times, in all nations, and in all circumstances. Financial hardship and lack of “proper authority” are no excuse. And yet, the women of Las Hermannes would not be able to survive if they didn’t have this coffee farm. Send Jennie’s letter down to them and see how fast it would be thrown into the fire. For the vast majority of the world’s population, especially the world’s Christian population, living these principles is just impossible.
I’m not sure how to end this post. Suffice it to say that there’s more and it gets worse.




Women like this have backed themselves into a corner. They usually have little education or means of supporting themselves, many children, and authoritarian husbands. For them, there is no other choice than to live like this…so they find comfort in criticizing those who do not.
As far as I know Jennie did go to university, so she is not completely without an education to fall back on . . . I am guessing the courses she took weren’t very well grounded in basic composition, though, or she would know far better than to be so contradictory in her writings!
I just read the article in the link “Women Pastors: Ken Motto”. Yet more tom-foolery and self-important chauvinism from a fool. He railed against women pastors for about ten paragraphs then concluded with the smug words “Oh, I almost forgot!
How do Lady Preachers become the husband of one wife?
1 Tim 3:2 KJV- A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Titus 1:6 KJV- If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Case closed!”
These people really are idiots. That rule was only meant for men because men were the only ones back then who married more than one spouse!! Nice try, Kenny; you really think you’re something, don’t you?
Cally, excellent excellent response and research. This is proof more and more about how we must be educated in God’s word to avoid deception.
The logic of Jenny Chacey makes no sense.
So…let me get this… if a woman is to be nothing more than a housewife and a babymaker, is she really her husband’s helper?
I believe God created women for good reason and Adam NEEDED Eve. A helper is not a derogatory term but an encouraging one. Sometimes our husbands’ need our advice, they need a contradictory voice to opine on if we should buy the house or buy another car or what career should I really pursue.
Also, many men lose their jobs. If a woman is to be nothing more than a housewife what is she to do in the case that her family needs someone to put bread on the table. Is she to let them starve to death so she can fulfill her (according to Chacey’s) “godly role”? Or is she to be productive and actually help out her family in time of need.
I also know some men that are stay-at-home dads. It’s just more comfortable for them in their families to take on the role of raising the kids while the wife goes to work. And I see a lot of happiness in those families because the husband is not being pressured into filling a role he really doesn’t feel comfortable in, and neither is the wife.
Wow, Militarywifey
The dad stay home?
You are saying some really radical stuff there
But seriously, one of the reasons our family hit a speed bump was because it was too much pressure on my husband to be the only bread winner.
Things are much better now with me adding a bit to our income.
Being not as familiar with the Bible as you ladies, I have a different take on Jennie Chancey’s mumbo jumbo. She’s probably a spoiled girl who has always lived off the largesse of others. I doubt she has ever really had to pick herself up by her boot straps to survive. If she had to live my life-I was out on my own in the big city at the age of 18-she wouldn’t last two seconds.
Okay, I just got back from reading Mrs. Chancey’s letters. Excuse me while I toss my cookies. Mrs. Chancey goes off the college, lives away from mommy and daddy, has a career and it isn’t a bed of roses. Well guess what, toots. It’s called the real world. Put your big girl panties on and cope with it.
Jennifer K.
You speak truth here.
Not all families have a responsible father and resourceful mother.
I know this first hand since I work in social services. I’ve seen kids who have had to fend for themselves from early on and they are survivors
I’m not trying to label you as one of those. I don’t know your particular circumstance and where you fall in the overall scheme. I just wanted to verify your statement by pointing out I see the opposite extreme.
Not everyone has had the luxury of being well cared for.
Thanks for your kind comments, Mara R. I hope I didn’t make my childhood look positively Dickensian. My parents are good people, but we just don’t see eye to eye on everything. Plus, I grew up in a very narrow-minded small town and had to escape. I did struggle as a young adult. I worked low-paying jobs, lived in sub-standard housing and lived in constant fear that I might end up homeless. I hated going to my parents for help because they usually wouldn’t help me. Afterall, I was an adult and I should take care of myself. Plus, if they did help it came with a long, tedious lecture that I did not want to hear. And I couldn’t get any help from any organization, both public and private, because I don’t have kids.
I’m not trying to get any sympathy. I’m just sharing my story. Yes, living like that sucked, but I’m really proud of my survival skills. I’m a stronger person because of it, and I’m more compassionate and empathetic towards others who also struggle.
Jennifer K,
lol, too true! Actually, it was when I went away to university that I became compelled to define my faith as my own, rather than simply the one I had been taught since I was young(er). I won’t deny that I hit some very rocky patches and that they probably would never have happened if I had stayed cloistered safe and snug at home and waited for a nice respectable boy from one of the three Baptist churches to take an interest, but if I had taken the latter route . . . God as I know Him today would quite possibly never have been revealed to me.
If I had taken a route that was never meant to be mine (and she may like it or not, but some day Mrs Chancey will answer for the girls who were meant for other things but followed her false teachings at the expense of THEIR sacred callings) then I would have missed out on all that God had planned for me, those four years away at school and now all the years meant to come afterward.
More than dresses-only, more than hair-to-your-waist-but-cover-it-up-or-God-won’t-hear-you-pray, more than boys don’t like capable girls, more even than render unto your husband all respect and take whatever he dishes out as nothing more or less than what you’ve earned . . . more than all those things put together, I loathe teaching that pits the advice of the teacher against the still, small voice of God. I sit and think of the girls who will have to recoup the losses they have suffered, and I tremble and burn with anger and want to say nothing more or less to these teachers than that I know my Shepherd’s voice, and I flat out refuse to give heed, whether in the form of obedience or that of fear, to the howling of the wolves.
Sorry, you posted since I last read the comments; my “too true” was directed at the “put on your big girl panties” remark and its associated text
Dang jennifer, I love you! You’ve hit the nail on the head exactly regarding Chancy.
Andrea, so beautifully said!! Wow.
Everyone repeat after me: DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO.
And JenniferK—you are probably right. She’s never had to worry too much in her life and pick herself up by her own bootstraps to do much more than scrub toilets and keep house. What does she know about real life?
Her life isn’t messy. Come fo think of it, there is no room for any mess in any patrio family. Keep it clean, shiny, and pretty on the veneer so that everyone looks the part!
“They are inverting God’s created order, which is God-Man-Woman-Animals. Today we have Animals-Woman-Man-God.”
Animals?! ANIMALS?! What the heck is this? Where do children fit in?
Read this. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/08/AR2005070801775.html
http://www.satyamag.com/jun07/lolosoli.html
I think that the lifes of these people are a lot messier than we think. I’ve gotta believe that these women are playing the hand they’ve been dealt–not unlike someone married to an Enron exec who helped cover up stuff or a woman married to a substance (or wife) abuser who enables that behavior because the benefits of doing so outweigh the risks of not doing so.
Perhaps I’m being sanguine here, and this stuff scares the willies out of me and makes me very angry.
I think that the lives of these people are a lot messier than we think. I’ve gotta believe that these women are playing the hand they’ve been dealt–not unlike someone married to an Enron exec who helped cover up stuff or a woman married to a substance (or wife) abuser who enables that behavior because the benefits of doing so outweigh the risks of not doing so.
Perhaps I’m being sanguine here, and this stuff scares the willies out of me and makes me very angry.
I am somewhat astonished that people are actually suggesting that women fall between men and the animals in some pecking order.
We’re kinda-sorta created in His image whilst males (because of their male essence eau de Y chromosome, anyone?) are totally created in His image.
Talk about confuzzlement.
But, in all seriousness, these patrists frighten me.
And does anyone have a ministry for any brave girls who dare escape these authoritarian patriarchal families and churches? I bet it is a real need.
That’s an interesting question, Deb. I missed it earlier in all the frenzy over Mick on that other thread.
Some sort of support like what they do for FLDS girls you mean?
You are probably right there is a need. I wonder how many of those girls recognize it as a need though.
How many are starting to see “the man behind the curtain” like Dorothy did in the wizard of oz.
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